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14 June 2008 @ 12:35 pm
USPC 2008  
So I started the morning finishing There Will Be Blood. I still find Juno my favorite film of last year, and No Country would now be third after Blood, but Day-Lewis' performance is incredible and - if you know my love of Magnolia - you'll understand how I maybe can't do anything but praise everything Anderson does.

Anyway, with the thought in my mind that maybe my obsession with beating the test this year was unhealthy in a similar way to Plainview, I went to warming-up puzzle wise. I finished off the last of way too many word searches from Tuller's book that I've been solving since WSC3 time. I did today's nikoli puzzles which included a great Extra Nurikabe (another solid one after last week's Botsu Baku) where I beat the field by about a minute, so I was solving really soundly. With 20 minutes left, I finally reread the instructions, particularly instruction info where Black Pearl's entry "consecutive 1s" was the most interesting new discovery, and then planned my music list. I started with the end of last year's stereogum/team9 mash since the final countdown is a great thing to mash-up and a good psych up song, then merged that list into the two good coldplay albums in order (as they are great fade into the background noise) with OK Computer ending the 2.5 hour session. If I was "lucky", I would be done well before The Tourist which would end at about 12:31 PST. If I was very lucky, I wouldn't even need to search for an Airbag with the test already done at 1h40m.

So, onto the test.

In a rush to save time, I jumped in the pdf to the STD before even beginning the first page which was not yet printing. I had 5-6 of the differences before I picked up the test from my printer, then finished that off and the long entry process, before going onto the next page. Then, I realized I had duplex-printed, so I just did the backside immediately which wasn't my earlier plan (5, 1, 2, 20 to the front). So I got the black pearl and masyu done, then the battleship and sudoku and star and arrow ring (answer submission on arrow ring again impossible, which is why I counted inside, outside, and loop, and saw I was missing an outside square). Maybe 15 minutes in and 7 puzzles done. I always confirm and reconfirm all my entries on any page, before throwing it on the floor as "done." Since my first year, I've never made an entry error provided I can understand what I'm entering.

So, onto the back of the test as originally planned.

Ampers& is a beautiful puzzle, but I cracked its secret too soon. It has 4 rings, so I mapped out in word space how those would have to be. I got all 4 identified (and correctly) from logic, then started steering the 4 "gears" to get them into the grid. It may have taken 6-7 minutes, but I blazed through it.

Onto the KakurOh, the most beautiful of puzzles that just happened to be on the back of that same page. It was in my construction-thought space, so I did not take long to grok or make use of the gimmick. Still, the puzzle was a tough one and perseverance carried it through with the long 7's being the most critical places to identify missing digits all throughout the grid.

Onto the SuDON'TKu - my first theory on how the puzzle was constrained was horribly wrong (missing row/column/box don't all intersect at a 9), so I broke it about 80% in and I decided to do something else and went back to the front to end up here.

The word search (Nebijok, I'd be told by Nick after the test, is a song and the word list - out of alphabetical order - is actually in lyrical order) was a quickie. I mean, when the word search doesn't have words adding/dropping letters, making a variety of different kinds of turn in the middle, require anagramming, have letters that extend outside the grid, is a toroid, ..., its pretty easy!

Number blocks 1 took me awhile, but had a satisfying logical deduction. I had figured out the bottom row of it (since it wasn't a sum of 6), pretty early, but had not gotten the right pair for the second column even figuring it had the 9 for awhile. The second fell much quicker. Its unusual to require both of these for any points, but I liked these block-type puzzles.

Korumasu is something I've done so often now - in the Giants books, and elsewhere - that its my basic corral notation (lines in white squares, scribbly blackness) and solving method without the black squares going to outside constraint but with a no-touch constraint. You'll learn that work-ins here focus on diagonal squares around 2's and sometimes 3's which become forced whites. Here, it was an even easier "the 2 goes just one way", but I'd banked a lot of info on the grid before seeing that and it fell fast. Where Is Black Cells indeed.

I'd been spoiled yesterday by [info]jeffford on what Murder No. 6 was, but seeing an 8x8 grid with now forced 15 and 14 pairs was a quick deduction and it was just getting the puzzle done. Not too hard, and I'd love a more complex killer construction with larger cages that used single digit elimination as here. Another great puzzle idea I had not necessarily seen before (most people want to add 0 to the 1-9 set, not reduce the number set somewhere in the middle).

Corral was next and it fell pretty normally. Last year's was maybe my favorite puzzle of that USPC. This was more standard but had the nice black square chase at the end to figure out the final answer.

Tilted Weights was me getting lucky when I'm already well prepared. My exhaustive search space would start on the far right which seemed reasonable. 1/3 is the easiest pair to put there, and with 2 consecutive digit fulcrums, I didn't have a lot of choice to the other pair. 4/7 + 5-6, 8-9 + 2 was the first of my next steps in thinking and that became the answer in 30 seconds. Yes, I drink your milkshake quick like that. Its a nice variation (maybe not as cool as last year's) but I could use a harder one with maybe 3 weights on a bottom fulcrum so more "math" was needed.

Distances was beautiful. [info]thedan had called it corral-like yesterday, when I was not yet thinking of it that way - but it really was. After I finished the satisfying puzzle, I noticed the beautiful latin square constraint on the new circles (one per row/column). Phenomenal! Thanks Craig!

Triangles, triangles everywhere. I was greedy and tried to pack the biggest and hardest triangles (1/2 + 2/4) on diagonals early. But I kept doing it wrong. I was going over 1/4 for example, and up 1/2. That was not comforting. After a couple erasures, and realizing I was making lots of incorrect triangles, I moved on for now.

Crisscross Pairs was similarly beautiful - I was right in the "one letter off" property yesterday which was what I was hoping to see. I again attacked square rings as on the Ampers& and decided a Y had to be in one of the two lower right square blocks. The MNCI starting letter choices only allowed one choice, so with that placed (and a decision it was on the left), the puzzle fell.

Sheep in Fences was also what I expected, and shading helped me steer some of the corners very early. I think I somehow busted my first intuited path, making an error with the 13 in the right-middle, but got it the next time. Answer entry on this was hard!!! I kept freaking out that I'd left out one of the six consecutive 2's. Even on my final check-through, this was my heartstopper until I saw I'd put it in right.

Back to the SuDON'TKu - I made a matrix of the eight boxes on the right of the puzzle, and marked rows/columns/boxes with missing digits when I knew things for sure. I no longer made the mistake of thinking the missing digits would simultaneously fulfill all constraints. From there, you start by parking 9's, but that was not enough of a work-in. Getting the missing 1 and 5 row/column/box helped and then a lot of naked single searching and it finally fell. Not as efficient here as I thought I'd be, but "Paranoid Android" was about to start (it was 11:45) and I just had the triangles left.

Now, I had been called out by someone earlier in the week in an lj message that printing multiple copies of the test is against the rules. I carefully checked things over and saw that is not a true reason to call me out. This is how I learned the winners won't post til ~ the 25th, that Nick had actually updated the news I'd heard earlier that Minsk is the new WPC site, etc. I mean, I want to drink your milkshake, but I want to do it within the law so when I saw "I'm finished", there isn't a dead body around. Well, you can print things multiple times if you need to. On a T&E puzzle where erasure bits will cover you soon enough, another copy is good. While my duplex-printing saved paper earlier in the day, triangles took out a tree in comparison. I tried after getting a lot of 6 but not 7 triangle solutions (maybe 5-8), to go at the triangles with the least choices. B's only got 2, and all the ones that failed were using the BDK choice, so I finally did the ABG choice, and having seen almost all the triangles in the puzzle by then, the rest fell fast. I still quadruple-checked all my triangles were valid.

Let's have a poll: do you prefer triangles as is for 20 points, or would you prefer it is "count all the triangles you can form in the grid" with the same 90 degree constraint for 20 points? I don't know what my choice is, but I've now done both and I'm only sure the first choice has a correct answer.

So done, and confirmed clean. 2h14m. Not my highest number (365 < 370 in 2006), but my highest percentage (100%). I ended on "Fitter, Happier". I feel like a run, and then the US Open, which will make me both. I've neglected all the comments in the last thread so I may go deal with that, but probably some food and exercise and fresh air is in the works.
 
 
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Tyler[info]rpipuzzleguy on June 14th, 2008 08:40 pm (UTC)
I was similarly fortunate on the weights.

Solved the SuDON'Tku in ten minutes after the test was over. I just need to accept that I'm going to have a puzzle like that every fucking year.
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 18th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
...Sorry.

I saw your blog post about how you went for Dot Triangles instead of SuDON'Tku in the final minutes, and I feel for you. My tactic to avoid that sort of mistake is to try to determine in advance which puzzles lend themselves to deduction better than others. It also helps to guess who the author is for each puzzle in advance, and prioritize accordingly. This worked quite well this year for me, as checking the solutions page I see I successfully headed straight for Michael Rios's puzzles, and completely ignored Erich Friedman's. I couldn't hope for better. - ZM
[info]jdyer on June 14th, 2008 10:33 pm (UTC)
Normally the fences is my money shot, but the Sheep one kicked my butt this time. Is there any way to do it with logic or does have to be done with intuition?

Ended up with a sad, sad 133. Restarts on a couple puzzles didn't help.

SuDON'TKu was my favorite. Never got a chance to try the criss crosses.
(Anonymous) on June 14th, 2008 10:55 pm (UTC)
Unlike you, I was entirely happy with my (first-time) 134 minus errors, but I can claim to have solved sheep without T&E. I got enormous mileage out of explicitly shading inside-the-ring spaces; so, for instance, a "2" with one confirmed shaded and one confirmed unshaded next to it must have its other two spaces different (one shaded, one not).

I'm sure this is well-known, but hey, give me a chance to brag & I'll take it...

John Clements
motris[info]motris on June 14th, 2008 11:09 pm (UTC)
The fences seemed very fair. Here is a sort of walkthrough: The s in the loop in the lower left forces the 2 in the corner to be top/right, which forces the 3 and the 1 around it from normal considerations. This forces the 23 above it, still focusing on the leftmost column. This forces the 1 above it to use the top so that the sheep is in the fence.

In the upper right corner, the 1 must be on the left, which will force the 3 to be a C shape and give you more in the area of the 1 up top and the 12 on the far right.

The lower right corner gives you the 1 on the left, and you can infer that the sheep has a line on its right in that column as well.

Back to the lower-left. The 2 just down/left of the 3 has two edges touching its vertices, which is a formation that forces the 3 on the diagonal to use the top/right. This 1/2/1 diagonal communicates to force the 3 in the upper-right into a top/right/bottom on that right side. Steering this 3 gives you a huge break-in on the top getting the 33 and the 2. Now, you can say the upper-left corner 3 uses the right, not the bottom, which gives the 3 and the 2 beneath it, to set up a chase across to complete the 2 in the second column. The sheep is in the fence, so go up and right to link to the 33. This now forces the 2 beneath it to connect the whole top over to the right. This completes one of the touching 1's in a diagonal, leaves a single 1 choice below it that gives the 3 and the 2 diagonal to it, and also another communication through the 1 to the 3 to give the lower-right part.

There are two sheep next to each other. They CANNOT have a fence between them! So the 2 to the left of them has to go UP. This leads to a huge break-through to give the whole middle-left The sheep in the loop forces an immediate right from the 2 in the 8th row/3rd column. Steering around the 3 forces the diagonal two, which forces the bottom right, and closing a loop gives the answer.

Tell me if any of that made sense, but that's how I went about it. My problem the first time I think was marking the 121 diagonal communication incorrectly, as my error was definitely around the 13 in the fourth row.
nickbaxter[info]nickbaxter on June 15th, 2008 03:03 am (UTC)
Here is another example of logic that works with the sheep. Without doing anythign else, you can make progress with the 3 in the lower-right corner. You don't know if the 3 is inside or outside, but has to be on the opposite side of at least one of the two sheep--therefore it has to be on the opposite side of BOTH!
ze top blurberry[info]ztbb on June 18th, 2008 09:30 am (UTC)
Yes, this was how I broke in during testsolving (though I should have noticed the 3-1-2-1 communication up the anti-principal diagonal). More generally any path between two sheep (orthogonal to the grid lines) has to cross an even number of edges, and any path from the exterior to a sheep has to cross an odd number of edges.
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 14th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
Pure logic works for Sheep in Fences (although the upper-left corner is tricky). I really liked that puzzle; the sheep came in to play more ways than I had originally anticipated, and it was great coming up with theorems on the fly. (For example, those two orthogonally adjacent sheep can't have a loop segment between them, as that would put them on opposite sides of the loop when it's all said and done.) In fact, I like it so much that I may need to add them to The One Ring. I'll likely re-solve the puzzle soon just so that I can get a better handle on their intricacies before I try to use them myself. It was my favorite puzzle on the test by far.

At the risk of being picked on by Nick Baxter, it's the Battleships I'd like to see the solving path for :P I got that to about 80% before I saw NOTHING to proceed with; although I saw a solution that worked, I went back afterward and only saw single-cell guesses to make progress (that can't be a ship part, that can't be a ship part...) that, well, wouldn't make for a ten-point puzzle.

[Aside: Why is the Sum Figure always a mere five points when I don't have a bloody CLUE how to solve it in under, like, twenty minutes of algebra and/or guessing? I can solve the 15-point puzzles in half that time with pure logic. I didn't torment myself this year.]

I think I'll have 173 when the math is done (of course, I could have given myself another 40 trivially, but that'd just be being an asshole). I wish I'd tackled Double Feature earlier (it was literally a last-minute stab I gave it), and I wished I'd presolved for Distances (I'm still working at it, but it's a great puzzle).

Glad you liked my puzzle! - ZM
motris[info]motris on June 14th, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
The sum figure is way easy if you use a "big" and "small" intuitive thinking. The 30 is 9876. The 10 across and 13 coming down intersect this at two points which most likely "small" (6 or 7) with the other two being 8 and 9. The intersection of the 10 and 13 is most likely 0 or else you can't satisfy the sums. Now, the remaining ones are 21 and 16 and 21 is bigger than 16 so put the 9 at the 21/30 intersection and 8 at the 16/30 intersection and the answer flows out.

The battleships had a "need to fulfill cruiser" step but I think it was all logical
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 14th, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC)
I'll have to re-examine Sum Figure. Later. (I started a game of Puerto Rico before the test; it's sweetly calling my name, or something.)

Oh, I saw the partial cruiser at the top, and had two of its cells in, but the subs and destroyers (other than the givens) I couldn't get a bead on other than a single cell in the ninth column. Maybe I'll post a diagram for differential diagnosis later. - ZM
motris[info]motris on June 14th, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC)
I think I meant destroyer and typed cruiser. The puzzle has both steps, but I think a destroyer placement being forced (because of row constraints + empty sea around destroyer) resolves it.
[info]jdyer on June 15th, 2008 12:13 am (UTC)
Back to the lower-left. The 2 just down/left of the 3 has two edges touching its vertices, which is a formation that forces the 3 on the diagonal to use the top/right. This 1/2/1 diagonal communicates to force the 3 in the upper-right into a top/right/bottom on that right side. Steering this 3 gives you a huge break-in on the top getting the 33 and the 2.

This was the key bit I missed, thanks Thomas.

re: battleships -- the logic you're missing is that you have to use one of your subs on the last row, meaning you only have one sub left to place above that. Therefore the spot in column I can't be two subs, it has to be a destroyer.
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 15th, 2008 12:35 am (UTC)
I saw row T needed a sub, but I had cell IT still open. I couldn't discount subs at IT and IR without trial and error. I'll take another look... - ZM
[info]jdyer on June 15th, 2008 05:25 am (UTC)
Ok, went back over the logic and this is the clearest I can make it without a diagram.

You have the cruiser at GP-GR and the single spot at IR.

If you think the spot at IR is a sub, then you need a battleship at DQ-EQ. The water above that means that you'll need another sub at IP, but also a sub in row O. This is overcounting by one sub because there's still a sub to place in row T. Hence it has to be a destroyer in column I.
[info]shandelman on June 15th, 2008 12:40 am (UTC)
Battleships
There may have been more than one way to tackle the Battleship, but it used some logic that I was not used to using on such puzzles: as usual, I asked myself "Where can the four go?" and then, as usual, I asked myself "where can the threes go?" Only three places, two of which are in the same place, allowing me to place the other one in the other spot. For most puzzles, that line of reasoning is enough to move on to other logical methods, but for this puzzle, I found I had to continue and ask "Where can the twos go?" Usually, there are too many answers to that question to make it a useful question to ask, but in this case, there were only three possibilities for two ships, and the puzzle fell pretty easily from there.
Nemesis: Doctor Investigating[info]ivoryvampire on June 16th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
The Sheep was actually one of my favourites! Although I had to do it after the test was over... XP
The Dan[info]thedan on June 14th, 2008 10:49 pm (UTC)
I'll have more to say later, but coincidentally(?) the last song I listened to before the test started was The Final Countdown. (I don't play music during though... too distracting.)

Solved the weights in about two minutes on the train to Boston, so those will be the 20 points that I "should have" gotten. Probably would have if I hadn't gotten so jammed on the ampersand grid. I checked all my work carefully and the 298 looks legit so far.
(Anonymous) on June 14th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
When you break the battleships to start off - you're probably best to just close up and watch the US Open. Being a non-Nikoli guy I knew at about 3:00 yesterday it was going to be a tough year. Same as several posters - the weights fell in a hurry, the Sudon'tku was easier than I'd expected yet I still manged to break it on try 1. Thought I'd get the Kakuro (though my guess for the clue was wrong - I thought the clue numbers would be letters A-J, eg FF might be 11,22,33,44.) 185 is probably a pretty accurate guage of where I stand, won't be enough for the Canadian team - guess I'll head to Lithuania. Congrats to all the winners.
Adam R. Wood: disco[info]zotmeister on June 14th, 2008 11:39 pm (UTC)
Even if you ended up solving it - I expected no less - just the very fact that it made you stumble makes me very happy, I must admit. I put a lot of effort into making a Sudoku variant worthy of the champion. I'll take your pre-test propaganda as proof of my success.

[Sorry, had to brag just this once. Shouldn't happen again. So, am I a professional puzzlesmith yet?] - ZM
motris[info]motris on June 14th, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
>So, am I a professional puzzlesmith yet?

Are any of us? Its not what I list as profession on my taxes. I find it really interesting that sudoku.com is working on building a similar variant, although I think yours works much better.
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 15th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
I was referring to skill, not source of income. (Mind you...)

I was unaware of the other effort (I try to avoid that forum for what should be obvious reasons if you've ever been there). Following your link, it occurs to me they're (as usual) overcomplicating matters; I simply thought it would be interesting to make a Latin Square puzzle that isn't a Latin Square anymore, so I just shrunk the grid. (Casumo's Super Hard Number Place got me thinking what it would be like to have "shortchanged" rows and columns as well as regions, if anyone's wondering where the idea came from.) - ZM
[info]garethmoore on June 15th, 2008 02:19 am (UTC)
First time
This is the first time I've done any sort of puzzle competition, so I found it a fascinating experience. Ironically I do make puzzles professionally, and have done so as a full-time job for over two years (you can make it pay very well if you're good or perhaps lucky!), so I thought I'd do okay on vanilla-ish Japanese puzzles. The down-side of this is I'm used to having to be absolutely certain puzzles are correct so tend to re-check each move multiple times rather than solving for speed. I also never use uniqueness as a solving technique (obviously you can't, if you're actually making the puzzle), but it can be incredibly helpful when you're looking for time gains.

A useful thing I learn immediately is I should wake my printer up first so it doesn't spend 5 minutes warming up! A second useful thing is not to accidentally print first to my default printer which is Acrobat's PDF maker and which takes a while to start up. :) That was a waste of several minutes overall. :)

Battleships, Sudoku, Arrow ring, Black pearl (I liked this idea), Nebijok, Murder no.6 (nice variation), Corral, Kuromasu and Distances (all "Japanese"-like) were all easy enough I thought. I wasted probably 5-10 minutes on the Battleships by being stupid and not noticing one of the clues and starting again and repeating the error, and I wasted at least 20 minutes on the Kuromasu by making repeated silly mistakes (not counting carefully enough). Making all the mistakes on Kuromasu meant I spent too long on Corral and Distances by repeatedly re-checking counts which these times I didn't get wrong.

I didn't try the Number blocks because I figured having to do two might waste time, but I just tried it now and the first one took 1'30 and the second one took 2'00+1'30 (going wrong, trying again), so that was a mistake not to do it. I hadn't realised how 'obvious' it would immediately be where each of the row/column totals must fit.

The Tilted weights I'd only tried one of before (a weights puzzle, that is) and since it was 20 points (="time-consuming for an expert" according to the intro) I skipped it, but it just took me about 45 seconds from start to finish, since beginning naturally at the lowest point with the minimum value (3) and working across forces 7,4 and then I tried 6,5 above which was obviously wrong; then you place 9,8 instead and it falls out. Why was this 20 points? I guess lack of experience meant I trusted the point value! It is actually probably the easiest puzzle in the test, so I was a bit dumb there.

Dot triangles I tried, but I kept going wrong so gave up. I found even the little sample took a bit of fiddling last night but I thought it was sure to have a work-in. I spent 15 minutes on the KakurOh but found the shading kept making me 'not notice' the big squares and I was repeatedly missing obvious placements, so I gave up with only 15 or so digits firmly placed. My printer really is too dark. :) I thought I would be good at that because I've made so many Kakuro, but I guess not!

Crisscross pairs I looked at, but didn't think of trying the approach of looking for rings to make and only later fitting them in, so gave up thinking it would take too long. Ditto on the Ampers& Crisscross, which made my head hurt!

Sheep in Fences I should have been able to do because I've done so many Slitherlink, but I missed various obvious things that suddenly became apparent when time was up, such as how shading made it easier - although I did quickly spot for example that there couldn't be a line between the two sheep. I think I could do this in 10 minutes if I properly concentrated.

SuDON'Tku I left too late and then decided after perhaps 10 minutes that I was probably going to make a mistake since I haven't tried this sort of thing before and I think it takes a while to get your head round it. It's considerably more than twice as hard as the 15-point Sudoku!

So overall I reckon I got 154 - could have been 6 more if I could have only found the last spot the difference! Or I guess 35 more if I'd tried the surprisingly-easy number puzzles. So some way to go. :)
[info]garethmoore on June 15th, 2008 02:27 am (UTC)
Re: First time
PS I skipped Sim Figure too because I took ages on one I tried before, but I just tried it and got it out in 1'30 - it is really just a very easy Kakuro with a 0. :)
[info]garethmoore on June 15th, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
Re: First time
Now the solutions are up, I see that I mis-counted the outer squares on the Arrow ring as 17 not 18 - duh! Checked that too since it's so hard to see. :) Shame to lose points on puzzles genuinely solved.

On the black pearl I thought they wanted the distance between successive "1"s; I didn't appreciate that consecutive quite literally meant that - unfortunately the sample diagram only had 2s in so it wasn't clear (to me)! So I entered the distances between each pair of 1s all along the line. Oops. Maybe they will still give credit since the "4,2,4,1,8" is still embedded within my "15,4,12,2,18,4,1,8,24". :)

Finally, even given 20 more minutes I would never have noticed the bit of missing string in the spot the difference!
motris[info]motris on June 15th, 2008 02:42 am (UTC)
Re: First time
Fortunately for all of us, it is not a computer but a thoughtful puzzle solver that does the grading. Nick is generally good at accepting correct answers that have "incorrect" submission data (because the point after all is to solve the puzzle, and report that success).

12, 17 is going to be the most common wrong but right arrow ring answer, just like last year. It was the error I had alluded to above that I caught when I got the counts of loop squares and saw I was 1 short. It will likely get credit.

Black pearl will definitely get credit, as that is from misinterpreting the scoring step and giving between all 1's (I'm assuming those counts are right).
(Anonymous) on June 15th, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
Re: First time
re: black pearl -- I did the same thing with the answer. I think we'll get credit, but we'll see.
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 18th, 2008 06:32 pm (UTC)
Re: First time
"On the black pearl I thought they wanted the distance between successive "1"s; I didn't appreciate that consecutive quite literally meant that - unfortunately the sample diagram only had 2s in so it wasn't clear (to me)! So I entered the distances between each pair of 1s all along the line. Oops. Maybe they will still give credit since the "4,2,4,1,8" is still embedded within my "15,4,12,2,18,4,1,8,24". :)

I actually have to apologize for this, insofar as how I didn't provide any solution string to Nick with the puzzle at all. I should have come up with something I knew wouldn't be ambiguous rather than trust to fate. If I had entered the solution to my own puzzle during the test, I would have done the same thing! Sorry about that. I hope you get full credit if those totals are correct (garethmoore's are, I just counted).

I think you're both screwed on Arrow Ring, though. I don't see how those answering instructions are ambiguous at all. - ZM

Edited at 2008-06-18 07:22 pm (UTC)
motris[info]motris on June 18th, 2008 07:24 pm (UTC)
Re: First time
Its not that the instructions are ambiguous, it is that (just like last year) there is a sneaky black square on the outside of the loop that is pinned inside the loop and easy to miss on a count. I got to 12,18 only after I counted the 70 loop squares and said 99 squares is an incorrect count.
Adam R. Wood: butasan[info]zotmeister on June 18th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
Re: First time
[Please ignore the word 'both' in my previous post. Didn't edit it out in time.]

My understanding was that last year, the actual problem was the definition of "square" (that is, whether the signs count or not); devjoe mentioned tripping up on that. It was defined this time around, so that problem was solved. That outside square looking like an inside square is something I'd expect to be intentional (although I can't say for certain as I'm not the one who made them). - ZM
motris[info]motris on June 15th, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
Re: First time
Sounds like a good first effort for a puzzle competition newbie. I took forever to build uniqueness into my solving repertoire, as well as what we'll call "racing towards an(y) answer" light in pencil when you are close to done like on a loop puzzle, but when I am hand-setting a puzzle grid I obviously avoid these steps like the plague.

Thanks for sharing your comments here (which seems to be the holding space for them since there isn't a post on worldpuzzle's livejournal right now). With a puzzle like weights or dot triangles, the variance in times will be high. It sounds like your experience, like mine, was to start with small on the far right and this was just the lucky "correct" first trial. If it had been something else over there, like 2/5, well, it might have taken much longer.

I've done one of your kakuro books and seen others by you (still no toroidal sudoku books!), but I still find it hard to think of doing puzzles professionally. A growing part of me really wants to, but even if I put out two to three books a year, I don't know that that, plus freelance puzzle work for different hunts/magazines, plus "winnings", etc., would make a stable enough source of income. Congrats on finding a way to live my dream ;).
[info]garethmoore on June 15th, 2008 02:53 am (UTC)
Re: First time
Thanks very much for the comments on the solutions - I thought that was a possibility but I wasn't sure! It's good to know.

Good to hear about the Kakuro book - that was the first one I ever did, in summer 2005! I do actually have an online book of 100 toroidal sudoku on puzzlemix.com - and so it doesn't look like I'm blatantly advertising, I will give anyone who emails/messages me free access to it. Average solving time per puzzle is 30 minutes so far...
motris[info]motris on June 15th, 2008 02:55 am (UTC)
Re: First time
Great to hear. I know I'm not the only one who enjoyed your few sample toroidals in the aftermath of WSC1 and wanted to see more.

I'm still in a no sudoku zone for maybe another week (except of course writing sudoku, since that is something I am still doing as a paying "hobby"), but I'll definitely look forward to that online book soon.
[info]shandelman on June 15th, 2008 04:17 am (UTC)
Stupid incorrect entries
The 12 that I managed to finish were all correct on my paper, but I managed to make two blunders putting my answers onto the answer page:

Arrow Ring: I started off shading the black squares, and realized just putting X's was quicker. Of course, when I entered my answer, I only counted the black squares. Like an idiot.

Kuromasu: I mistakenly counted the largest group as 6, not 7.

So, while I could have earned 165, it looks like I'll be getting 130 for those two mistakes. I guess not bad for a first-timer, but I could have done better.
Gravidyptes Osmia[info]osmie on June 15th, 2008 11:24 am (UTC)
I'm expecting to score a disappointing 143 this year. I've blogged in more detail, but I managed to bedevil myself with far too many false starts, unfinished puzzles, and bizarre test management errors. Leaving the first two pages in the printer? Forgetting to enter my answer to Battleships?

Having said that, I found Sheep in Fences to be the easiest puzzle on the test, Distances the most satisfying (for all the reasons you gave), and SuDON'Tku -- inasmuch as I realized the key to solving it just after the test ended -- the puzzle with the poorest timing.
[info]stigant on June 15th, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
Weights puzzle
I didn't bother timing myself on the test as a whole. I did manage to do the weights (slowly) without getting lucky by considering the parity of various weights and torques (slight spoilers ahead).

Label the weights ABCDE across the top row and FGHI across the bottom row, and let T(AB) be the torque induced on the top bar by A and B etc. Clearly B = A+1 and D = C+1, so A+B and C+D are both odd, and both those balances have odd-length moment arms, so T(AB) and T(CD) are odd. E has an even moment arm so T(E) is even no matter what E is. F and I are definitely odd since G's and H's moment arms are even and T(G) = T(F) + 1 etc. So looking at the torques at the top, T(AB) + T(FG) + 1 = T(CD) + T(E) + T(HI). This means that T(FG) (which has the same parity as F+G since the moment arm is odd) and T(HI) (which has the same parity as H+I) must have opposite parities, and since F and I have the same parity, ie both odd, G and H must have opposite parities. Now let's count the odd weights: 1 of A and B, 1 of C and D, F, I, and 1 of G and H. That makes 5 and there are only 5 odd weights. That means that E must be even. From there, mixing and matching the 4 combinations of weights for F and G and 4 for H and I, there are only 2 plausible combos for FGHI (7413 and 5349). 5349 gives T(HI) = 65 and T(FG) = 11, T(AB) is at most 45, so even if T(CD) and T(E) = 0, the right side is way too heavy. From there, there's only one possible value for E, and two combos for ABCD, one of which doesn't work.

It was definitely slower than the intuitive method, but:
1. I actually saw the idea fairly quickly (and cold - ie I've never thought of that before in this context), I just took a lot of time to work out the details carefully.
2. I think the idea is probably applicable to many weight balancing puzzles in general. With practice and refinement, I think it can be used more quickly, and probably make larger problems more tractable.
(Anonymous) on July 3rd, 2008 03:04 pm (UTC)
Tilted Weights
I am still confused about the answer: I thought there had to be a one unit difference, but I am getting 48 for the left side and 50 for the right side... Am I adding/multiplying wrong?
motris[info]motris on July 3rd, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Tilted Weights
The left side is 44 (11*3 + 11). The right side is 45 (4*5 + 2*4 + 17). The should use the exact weights as shown, not rebalancing the weights (by considering the 5/6 as "12" for example) when doing the math by adding in one more unit. I believe that is what you did to get 48 and 50.