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21 January 2013 @ 02:40 pm
Too Big to Solve?  
Not my tagline, but a good description for the Mystery Hunt that just happened. One line of dialogue after last year's Hunt that I led with in my wrap-up was a question of when is too soon for a Hunt to end. I said, in this era of a few competitive teams trying to grow to get over the winning hurdle, constructors aiming bigger was a mistake. The Hunt ending after 36 hours (Midnight Saturday) is fine if that makes the solving experience stretch over the weekend for everyone else. I won't comment generally on this year's effort but it seems a great example to point back to of too much ambition by too many people towards the further militarization of the size of Hunt so that by 2025 the team "The whole of new USA" can go after the coin against "USSReunited" for at least a month. The sense of "puzzle" versus "grindy work" is also a discussion I have every year and I don't choose to repeat myself. I've felt since 2008 that the Mystery Hunt is far from an event I'd regularly attend in person although I'm glad to have finally been onsite to play with Team Luck with whom I've been a "free agent" now for three years.

I had a good solving year as things go relatively, but it was mostly demoralizing personally. I soloed Palmer's Portals, for example, but spent many hours after basically solving 8/10ths with a need to tweak a very small and underconstrained set of things to get from that hard work state to a finished state. At some stage I told the team "I'm going to solve Portals and the Feynman meta and then go sleep" and I met this goal but in many times the expected time when I gave the statement. I led the solve of both Danny Ocean (with zebraboy stating the most necessary last bit to get my work over the cliff) and Richard Feynman (with Jasters). I obviously co-solved lots of the logic puzzles and other puzzles, and gave various finishing help to a range of things too. I think I did this best for "Kid Crossword" once when he had spent a lot of timing mastering the hard steps of a crossword/scrabble puzzle -- and could quite impressively fast rewrite out the set of steps I wanted him to do about the puzzle -- and the follow-up steps were not obvious but I led the killing of the beast. This was too often the feel for these puzzles, and my assassination rate was far lower than I wanted. My Sunday was spent earning 3 puzzle answers by actually going to an event, and then falsely believing the power to buy some answers would let me finish solving the Indiana Jones mini-metas -- where I had already mostly soloed Adventure 2's snakes with 5/8 answers, but then killed myself dead on #1/Ouroboros for the rest of the day for so long solving, as many solvers will say in hindsight, the puzzle that was meant to be in one of a dozen ways and not the puzzle it was. Let me state here as I did for hours with my team, the phrase "I'm not cut out for this" is horrible flavor. It implies both cut this out and, in a different way, also don't cut this out. This makes you want to cut it out, which takes a lot of time, but also to not invest too much time in cutting it out, so as to save the wasted time of doing a task you are being told not to do. Other wordings are far safer, and implied negatives within positives is one of the five worst flavor failure modes in my opinion. Puzzle editing and flavor text is an art and is certainly the biggest variable from year to year and constructing team to constructing team.

So yeah, Mystery Hunt happened. And there were the usual share of overwhelmingly incredible Aha moments. Endgame seemed very fun and I wish all teams could do just that for the weekend or at least a lot more things like that. More of that, and more sleep, would have both been some good choices this year. If only the puzzles solved on schedule.

ETA: And as I added far below around comment #300, as a solver who was both frustrated yet had fun in this Hunt, I do want to thank everyone on Sages for the incredible effort they put in. Making a Mystery Hunt is a gift for all solvers whether it matches expectations or not, and as a mostly thankless job I do want the constructors and editors and software engineers and graphic designers and cooks and phone center workers and everyone else to know I appreciated all you did over the last weekend to give us several days together for puzzling.

Further, as I was asked to write a larger piece elsewhere that has given me personally a lot more attention as the face of the criticism, and as I use the phrase "My team" a lot in general as solving forms this kind of bond, I want to be very clear: since Bombers broke up after 2009 I have been a free agent. I have solved recently with Team Luck but am not a core part of their leadership and these opinions I state are my own. I intend to form my own team next year to go after the coin again, and if you have a problem with what I have said anywhere on the internets, please hate me for it. I believe in my posts I have been offering constructive criticism, but even what I have said is without all the facts of what went on inside Sages so I could easily be speaking from ignorance a lot of the time.

EFTA: Thanks to tablesaw for pointing out this chronologic feature of posts. If you want to see all the additions to this post in time sorted order, go here http://motris.livejournal.com/181790.html?view=flat. We're on page 14 at the moment.
 
 
 
lunchboylunchboy on January 23rd, 2013 07:03 am (UTC)
I still think the Producers hunt was pitched at the correct difficulty level overall. It may have ended too early from Sages' viewpoint, but they were five hours ahead of their nearest competition, and their status as an outlier had to do with their overwhelming numbers (which we didn't have control over). I think it's a mistake to write with the idea in mind of "let's write this so the fastest team finishes it at the exact moment we hope the Hunt will end" -- and it seems that's what Sages did this year, and, of course, then there was the problem that the team best suited to solve this Hunt in any sort of reasonable time frame was the only one not solving, because they were running the Hunt.
Andrewbrokenwndw on January 23rd, 2013 07:33 am (UTC)
Eh. I actually think they're a lot like Codex in terms of solving ability-- especially in terms of breadth vs. depth-- and thus not well positioned to handle a harder hunt. If anything they succeeded last time exactly because we gave them a lot of very thoroughly vetted, comparatively easy puzzles, letting them best apply their large amount of less Dankatzian labor.

Edit: And lest anyone think I mean this as a putdown, I definitely put myself in the non-Dankatzian camp. I'm just saying that I think the hard hunts are best for the small, concentrated teams.

Edited at 2013-01-23 07:36 am (UTC)
Dan KatzDan Katz on January 23rd, 2013 10:01 pm (UTC)
I am flattered to be an adjective.
Dan KatzDan Katz on January 23rd, 2013 10:00 pm (UTC)
We were the second team to finish Producers, which means it was shorter for us than it was for any other team except Sages, and I did not feel short-changed by the Hunt length. As Thomas said, I would rather have the best teams finish early and have more teams get to see the entire Hunt before the time-limit cutoff.
noahspuzzlelj on January 23rd, 2013 10:33 pm (UTC)
If enough people want hunt to go longer into Sunday, it'd be totally reasonable to experiment with a later announced time-limit cutoff. Personally, I think early Sunday afternoon is right (so that wrapup can be Sunday before dinner), but if a team wants to say in November (before plane tickets are bought) "We'll stay open until Midnight on Sunday and have wrap-up Monday morning" that'd be fine too. (Though there is a trade-off there because people who work on Monday will miss wrap-up and any other post hunt gatherings.)
Dr. C. Scott Ananiancananian on January 24th, 2013 04:14 am (UTC)
For what it's worth, codex got feedback (which we ignored) that the 2011 wrapup at 5pm was too late, because people had flights on Sunday they had to make. There were vigorous objections to the idea of a Monday wrapup.

You get a lot of contradictory feedback. Your job as hunt authors is to ignore the nonsense.